15 August 2006
Torres Family Reunion Photos
11 August 2006
A Genealogy of a New Mexico Torres Family
by Robert J. C. Baca
Copyright (c) 2006. Permission is granted to copy this article for personal use only.
TORRES FAMILY IN EARLY NEW MEXICO HISTORY
New Mexico was founded as a Spanish colony of Nueva España (Mexico) in 1598. Among the colonists that followed don Juan de Oñate into New Mexico was Juan de Torres, the son of Baltasar de Torres. Early New Mexico records are few and far between, so we do not know much about this man. Another man by the name of Melchor de Torres also seems to be part of the colony in the early 1600s, however it is unknown how he was related to Juan. One of these men may have been the progenitor of the New Mexico Torres family.
In 1680, Pueblo Indians revolted and forced the Spaniards out of New Mexico. One of the many refugees was a man by the name of Cristóbal Torres. Cristóbal was born in New Mexico around 1641. He was a heavy-set man of average height, had dark hair, a crooked nose and walked with an awkward gait.
The Spaniards re-conquered New Mexico in 1693. At the time another Cristóbal Torres was living in Guadalupe del Paso (Juarez, Mexico.) He probably was the son of the first Cristóbal, and was born sometime in the 1660s. Before coming to New Mexico, Cristóbal married Angela de Leyva. Cristóbal and his family were living in Alburquerque in 1710. Later they moved to Santa Cruz. In 1724 Cristóbal was awarded a land grant near Chama.
BELEN AND SOCORRO
Belen was originally named “Nuestra Señora de Belén” which means “our lady of Bethlehem.” Genízaro Indians (Hispanicized Indians) were already living in the area. The genízaros protested against the grant to the Spanish authorities, but the Spaniards were allowed to settle it anyway. There were originally eight Belen plazas. The Torreses were in charge of at least two of these plazas in the 1790s and 1800s.
One of Cristóbal's sons was Diego de Torres who was born in the late 1690s. In the 1730s Diego was the assistant Alcalde (deputy mayor) of Santa Clara. In 1742 Diego, his brother-in-law Antonio Salazar, and thirty others settled the Belen land grant. Diego was married three times. His first wife was Rosa de Varela; the second was Maria Martin who he married in 1712; and lastly he married Rafaela Baca, who survived him.
José Joaquin Torres was born about 1740. He probably was Diego de Torres' grandson. Joaquin married Isabel Chavez of Los Padillas on 12 January 1764. In the 1790s and early 1800s, Joaquin was living in on of the Belen plazas Los Garcias. He was a commissioner of that plaza.
Socorro, New Mexico was originally founded in 1598. When the Spanish settlers emerged from the inhospitable desert, the people of the Piro Pueblo of Teypama gave them food and water. Oñate renamed this pueblo “Socorro” which means “help” or “aid.” The name Socorro was later applied to the nearby Piro Pueblo of Pilabó. A Spanish mission was set up there, however in 1680 Socorro was abandoned. Socorro and the surrounding area was not resettled until 1817 when a number of Belen residents moved into the area.
Joaquin's son Santiago Torres was probably born sometime in the 1770s. Santiago was married to Maria Barbara Ortiz. She was born around 1779 to Francisco Xavier Ortiz and Josefa Tenorio. In 1833 this Torres family was living east of Socorro across the Rio Grande in the Plaza de la Parida.
Santiago's son Jose Anastacio Torres was born on 20 January 1810 in the Plaza de los Garcias (near Belen.) He married Maria Josepha Montoya in Socorro on his birthday 20 January 1835. Maria Josepha was born around 1816 to Juan Montoya and Maria Manuela Garcia Jurado. In 1845, Anastacio and Josepha were living with their family in San Miguelito de las Cañas, southeast of Socorro.
Crespin Torres, Anastacio's son, was born on 26 October 1847 in La Parida. He married Andrea Trujillo in Socorro on 5 April 1869. Andrea was the daughter of Jose Trujillo and Dolores Marquez. Crespin worked as a farmer until 1925. On 21 October 1937, just five days shy of his 90th birthday, Crespin died of complications from diabetes.
IGNACIO TORRES' FAMILY
Crespin's son Ignacio Torres was born in Socorro on 25 October 1875. He married Andrea Montoya on 18 August 1906. Andrea was born on 30 November 1883 to José Casimiro Montoya and Manuela Abeyta.* Andrea was the widow of Miguel Marquez. Andrea and Miguel had been married exactly six years prior to her marriage to Ignacio. Miguel and Ignacio were distant cousins.** Ignacio died on 18 March 1950, while Andrea survived until 9 July 1974.
Miguel Marquez and Andrea Montoya had one daughter:
1.) Manuelita Marquez, born around 1901. Manuelita married Pantaleon Baca.
Ignacio Torres and Andrea Montoya had four children:
1.) José Manuel Torres was born on 19 May 1907. He married Tomasita Rivera. They had six children.
2.) Maria Teresa Torres was born on 19 January 1912. She married Robert B. Baca. They had five children.
3.) Margarita Torres was born about 1917. She married Atanacio Lujan. They had five sons.
4.) Anastacio Torres was born around 1920. He married Piedad Baca. They had eight children.
* Andrea Montoya's sister Sophia was married to Amadeo Luna. Their son was Casmiro D. Luna, who was married to Ruby Armenta. Casmiro and Ruby's son was Casey Luna, the famed Belen car dealer and former Lieutenant Governor of New Mexico. Casey Luna is the second cousin to all of the Andrea Montoya's grandchildren.
**They were half first cousins, once removed. In this case what that means is that Ignacio Torres's great-grandfather Antonio Marquez was first married to his great-grandmother Maria de Loreta Vigil. While Miguel Marquez's grandfather, the same Antonio Marquez, was married a second time to his grandmother Ana Maria Florencia Marquez.
REFERENCES:
1930 United States Census: New Mexico, Socorro County. Microfilm.
Archives of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe, Baptisms and Marriages, microfilm.
Armijo Pfeufer, Lila, et al, New Mexico Baptisms San Miguel de Socorro Church 1821-1853, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogy Society, 1998)
Armijo Pfeufer, Lila, et. al, New Mexico Marriages and Baptisms: San Augustin de la Isleta Church, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogical Society, 1996.)
Birth Certificate: Ignacio Torres, Delayed Certificates of Birth, Sierra-Valencia counties, Roll # 1992058, microfilm.
Buxton, Margaret L., et al, New Mexico Baptisms Nuestra Senora de la Inmaculada Concepcion de Tome Volume I, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogy Society, 1998)
Chavez, Angelico, Origins of New Mexico Families: A Genealogy of the Spanish Colonial Period. Revised Edition, (Santa Fe: Museum of New Mexico Press, 1992.)
Death Certificate: Crespin Torres, 21 October 1937, microfilm.
Espinoza, Gilberto, et. al, El Rio Abajo, (Portales, NM: Bishop Publishing Co., 197?)
Interviews: Joe Torres and Rosemary (Torres) Mora.
Julyan, Robert, The Place Names of New Mexico, rev. ed. (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1998.)
Marshall, Michael P. & Walt, Henry J., Rio Abajo: Prehistory and History of a Rio Grande Province, (Santa Fe: New Mexico Historic Preservation Program, 1984.)
Matrimonios San Miguel del Socorro, San Ignacio y San Cristobal, San Marcial & Our Lady of Guadalupe of La Jolla, (Albuquerque: Hispanic Genealogical Research Center, 1999.)
Olmsted, Virginia Langham, Spanish and Mexican Censuses of New Mexico: 1750-1830, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogical Society, 1981.)
Olmsted, Virginia L., Spanish and Mexican Colonial Censuses of New Mexico: 1790, 1823, and 1845, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogical Society, 1975.)
Ramirez Alief, Teresa, et. al, New Mexico Censuses of 1833 and 1845: Socorro and Surrounding Communities of the Rio Abajo, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogical Society, 1994.)
Roberts, Susan and Roberts, Calvin, A History of New Mexico, (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1991.)
Salas, Raymond P. and Leonard Windham, Margaret, New Mexico Marriages Church of Immaculate Conception of Tomé and Our Lady of Belén, (Albuquerque: New Mexico Genealogical Society, 1994.)
Sanchez, Joe III, San Miguel del Socorro, New Mexico: Marriage Records 1821-1853, (Whittier, CA: Independently published, 1999.)
Tombstone research.
03 August 2006
Wikipedia articles
Genealogy
* Baca Family of New Mexico created
* Cabeza de Baca Family created
New Mexico Towns and Villages
*Luis Lopez contributed
* Socorro contributed
Piro Pueblos
* Pilabó created
* Senecú created
* Teypana created
Catholic Churches
* San Miguel de Socorro created
Etc.
* Origins of New Mexico Families (Book) created
23 May 2006
Book Review: "To the End of the Earth" by Stanley M. Hordes
Hordes, Stanley M. To the End of the Earth: A History of the Crypto-Jews of New Mexico (New York: Columbia University Press, 2005)
A couple of years ago I went to a lecture that Dr. Stanley Hordes presented to the New Mexico Genealogy Society. He discussed his then upcoming book about crypto-Jews in New Mexico titled “To the End of the Earth.” What intrigued me about Dr. Hordes lecture was that he found proof that the colony of Nuevo Leon, Nuevo Espana ( present day Mexico) probably was populated with crypto-Jews. This same colony en masse tried to illegally colonize New Mexico in 1591, and a few of these people were also part of the official New Mexico colony in 1598. Dr. Hordes’ makes a very good argument that there were crypto-Jews in New Mexico during the first years of colonization and that their descendants continued practicing Judaism up until the present day.
A crypto-Jew is a person who converted or whose ancestors converted to Christianity yet still secretly practices Judaism. As with many other Christian countries, Jews were persecuted in Spain during the Middle Ages. In 1390 many Jews converted to Christianity after an especially devastating pogrom. In 1492, after King Fernando and Queen Isabel conquered the last vestige of Muslim Spain in Granada, the Christian monarchs officially expelled the Jews from Spain. All who stayed in Spain were required to convert to Catholicism. Many went to Portugal where they too were forced to convert.
The Spanish Inquisition persecuted many of these New Christians as apostates and heretics. Many were accused of going back to their old religion. In order to avoid prosecution many New Christians went to the New World. Dr. Hordes shows how one such colony from Portugal under the leadership of Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva were almost definitely New Christians, and most likely crypto-Jews.
Carvajal was given permission by the King Philip II of Spain to found a colony in Nuevo Leon. The king gave specific instructions to officials not to question the ethnicity of the people in this colony. Dr. Hordes contends that these people were probably New Christians since at the time New Christians prohibited from going to the New World. The king’s instructions would have made it easier for them to cross over to Mexico. As further proof Hordes notes that Carvajal’s son was later prosecuted by the Inquisition. During the younger Carvajal’s arrest Gaspar Castano de Sosa lead the entire colony to New Mexico. Hordes contends that he probably did this in order to escape being prosecuted himself as a judaizer. However Castano de Sosa was arrested anyway for trying to illegally colonize New Mexico.
Hordes uses church and government records to demonstrate the possibility that New Christians practiced Judaism throughout New Mexico history. His argument is strongest with the early years of the colony when Inquisition records documented investigations into possible judaizers. He also uses genealogy to show how certain assumed crypto-Jewish families intermarried within culture. However, his arguments are weaker when it comes to the present day. Although there is some proof that certain present day Hispano New Mexican families continue the practice of crypto-Judaism, there are questions as to whether certain evidence truly demonstrates this practice. Hordes does not completely dispel these questions, although he comes closer than others who have tried to prove this theory.
Dr. Hordes’ book is well researched and was a fascinating read. Any person interested in Hispanic New Mexican history and genealogy should read this book. One then can make up his or her mind whether Dr. Hordes proves that crypto-Judaism indeed was practiced throughout New Mexico’s history.
Review Copyright (c) 2006 by Robert J. C. Baca
Romero Sephardic Jewish Lineage
1 Bartolome Romero
.... +Maria de Adeva
..... 2 Bartolome Romero I 1557 -
........... +Luisa Lopez Robledo
............. 3 Matias Romero - 1648
................... +Isabel de Pedraza 1607 -
..................... 4 Francisco Romero de Pedraza 1634 -
........................... +Francisca Ramirez de Salazar
............................ 5 Antonio Romero de Pedraza 1692/93 - 1736
.................................. +Nicolasa del Castillo - 1783
.................................... 6 Maria Romero 1728 -
.......................................... +Juan Antonio Baca
............................................ 7 Luis Maria Cabeza de Baca 1754 -
.................................................. +Ana Maria Sanches
.................................................... 8 Jose Mateo Mauricio Cabeza de Baca 1803 -
.......................................................... +Maria Guadalupe Montoya 1812 -
........................................................... 9 Martin Baca
................................................................. +Maria Rita Luna 1844 -
................................................................... 10 Juan B. Cabeza de Baca y Luna 1871 - 1953
......................................................................... +Carolina Bourguignon 1882 - 1963
........................................................................... 11 Robert Bourguignon Baca 1907 - 1972
................................................................................. +Maria Teresa Torres 1912 - 1983
.................................................................................. 12 Robert Carlos Baca 1932 - 1999
........................................................................................ +Frances Rosaline Baca 1934 - 1999
.......................................................................................... 13 Robert J. C. Baca
Copyright (c) 2006 by Robert J. C. Baca
24 April 2006
My Trujillo Lineage and the Albuquerque Tricentennial Parade
Last year when my wife and I took part in the Founders Day Parade at the Albuquerque Tricentennial opening ceremonies we carried the "Baca" banner. This year someone else carried the banner. I had to pick another banner to carry, so this time I carried the "Trujillo" banner.
When I was telling my sister about the parade I mentioned that we had Trujillo ancestors. She did not realize that fact. Below is one of our Trujillo lines.
Direct Descendants of Juan Antonio Trujillo
1 Juan Antonio Trujillo
.. +Maria Rosa Lucero
..... 2 Juan Agustin Trujillo
......... +Lucia Antonia de Jesus Montano
............. 3 Juan Antonio Trujillo 1795 -
................. +Maria Juliana Silva 1801 -
..................... 4 Jose Trujillo 1815 -
......................... +Dolores Marquez
............................ 5 Andrea Trujillo
................................ +Jose Crespin Torres 1847 - 1937
.................................... 6 Ignacio Torres - 1950
........................................ +Andrea Montoya 1883 - 1974
............................................ 7 Maria Teresa Torres 1912 - 1983
................................................ +Robert Bourguignon Baca 1907 - 1972
.................................................... 8 Robert Carlos Baca 1932 - 1999
........................................................ + Frances Rosaline Baca 1934 - 1999
........................................................... 9 Robert J. C. Baca
(c) 2006 by Robert J. C. Baca
21 April 2006
Martin Hurtado, Alburquerque's First Mayor (Albuquerque Tricentennial)
I am decended from Martin Hurtado three times, all through my maternal grandmother Paublita (Zimmerly) Baca.
1 Martin Hurtado 1659 - 1734
.... +Catalina Varela Jaramillo
..... 2 Bernadina Hurtado
........... +Ramon Garcia Jurado 1678 - 1760
............. 3 Toribio Garcia Jurado 1729 -
................... +Antonia Teresa Gutierrez - 1764
..................... 4 Francisco Xavier Garcia Jurado 1756 -
........................... +Maria Josepha Sanchez
............................ 5 Francisco Antonio Garcia
.................................. +Maria Guadalupe Torres 1812 -
.................................... 6 Juana Maria Garcia 1828 -
.......................................... +Felipe Padilla 1815 -
............................................ 7 [9] Maria Guadalupe Padilla - 1920
.................................................. +[8] Jose Epitacio Torres 1858 -
.................................................... 8 [2] Delfina Torres 1893 - 1978
.......................................................... +[1] Esteban Zimmerly 1887 - 1936
........................................................... 9 [3] Maria Paublita Zimmerly 1909 -
................................................................. +[4] Santiago Baca 1907 - 1961
................................................................... 10 [5] Frances Rosaline Baca 1934 - 1999
......................................................................... +[6] Robert Carlos Baca 1932 - 1999
........................................................................... 11 [7] Robert J. C. Baca
..................... 4 Maria Trinidad Garcia Jurado 1759 -
........................... +Feliciano Montoya 1748 -
............................ 5 Maria Josefa Montoya - 1838
.................................. +Lorenzo Tiburcio Padilla - 1839
.................................... 6 Maria Gertudes Padilla
.......................................... +Ricardo Torres 1808 -
............................................ 7 Maria Paubla Torres 1849 -
.................................................. +Samuel Zimmerly
.................................................... 8 [1] Esteban Zimmerly 1887 - 1936
.......................................................... +[2] Delfina Torres 1893 - 1978
........................................................... 9 [3] Maria Paublita Zimmerly 1909 -
................................................................. +[4] Santiago Baca 1907 - 1961
................................................................... 10 [5] Frances Rosaline Baca 1934 - 1999
......................................................................... +[6] Robert Carlos Baca 1932 - 1999
........................................................................... 11 [7] Robert J. C. Baca
............................ 5 Ana Maria Jacinta Montoya 1794 -
.................................. +Diego Antonio Abeyta 1783 -
.................................... 6 Maria Monica Abeyta 1817 -
.......................................... +Simon Torres 1815 -
............................................ 7 Jose Valentin Torres 1836 -
.................................................. +Maria Josefa Ortiz 1837 -
.................................................... 8 [8] Jose Epitacio Torres 1858 -
.......................................................... +[9] Maria Guadalupe Padilla - 1920
........................................................... 9 [2] Delfina Torres 1893 - 1978
................................................................. +[1] Esteban Zimmerly 1887 - 1936
................................................................... 10 [3] Maria Paublita Zimmerly 1909 -
......................................................................... +[4] Santiago Baca 1907 - 1961
........................................................................... 11 [5] Frances Rosaline Baca 1934 - 1999
................................................................................. +[6] Robert Carlos Baca 1932 - 1999
.................................................................................. 12 [7] Robert J. C. Baca
Copyright (c) 2006 by Robert J. C. Baca
06 March 2006
Wedding Photo - Robert C. Baca and Frances R. Baca
From left to right (not including the children)
1.) Theresa Baca, bridesmaid, groom's sister.
2.) David Baca, groomsman, groom's brother.
3.) Unknown bridesmaid.
4.) Ernest Chavez, groomsman, bride's cousin.
5.) Ernest Manning, best man, bride's uncle.
6.) Robert C. Baca, groom.
7.) Frances R. Baca, bride.
8.) Ida (Zimmerly) Manning, matron of honor, bride's aunt.
9.) Unknown groomsman.
10.) Josie Baca, bridesmaid, bride's sister.
11.) Unknown bridesmaid.
12.) Unknown groomsmen.
Children:
1.) Eddie Bernal, ring-bearer, bride's cousin.
2.) Ina Mae Zimmerly, flower girl, bride's cousin.
Of the groomsmen that I was not able to identify, one is Robert Navarez, the other Nazario Lopez.
Of the bridesmaids that I was not able to identify, one is Lucy Gonzales, the othe Lugy Romero.
05 March 2006
Wedding Announcement # 2: Robert C. Baca and Frances R. Baca
From the El Paso Times, Thursday, October 28, 1954, page E1. The Photo is from the same article.
Miss Baca Becomes Bride in Socorro Church Rites
Socorro, N.M. – Miss Frances Rosaline Baca, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Santiago Baca, became the bride of Robert C. Baca, son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert B. Baca, in ceremonies Wednesday in San Miguel Catholic Church here.
Bridal attendants wee Mrs. Ernest Manning, matron of honor; and Miss Josie Baca, sister of the bride, Miss Lugi Romero, Miss Lucy Gonzales and Miss Theresa Baca, sister of the bridegroom, bridesmaids.
Mr. Manning was best man, Ina Mae Zimmerly was flower girl, and Eddie Bernal was ring bearer.
Both the bride and the bridegroom were graduated from Socorro High School. The bride has been employed by her father, and the bridegroom is stationed with the Army in New York.
Among the pre-nuptial courtesies honoring the bride were a lingerie shower given by Mrs. Jimmie Baca and a miscellaneous shower which Miss Gonzales and Miss Romero were hostesses.
Wedding Announcement #1: Robert C. Baca and Frances R. Baca
Historic San Miguel Church is Scene of Socorro Wedding
Journal Special
SOCORRO – Historic San Miguel Church was the scene of the wedding of Miss Frances Baca, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Santiago Baca, and Pfc. Robert Baca, son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert B. Baca. The fashionable wedding united two prominent Socorro families.
Rev. Louis Antlitz officiated at the double ring ceremony. The four bridesmaids were Misses Josie Baca, sister of the bride, Lucy Gonzales, Lugy Romero and Theresa Baca, the groom’s sister. Mrs. Ernest Lee Manning of Albuquerque, the bride’s aunt, was matron of honor and the bride’s small cousin, Ina Mae Zimmerly was flower girl. Little Eddie Bernal was ring-bearer. Ernest Lee Manning was best man and the four ushers were David Baca, brother of the groom, Robert Navarez, Navario Lopez and Ernest Chavez.
Mrs. Carl Dagostino sang accompanied by Mrs. Philip Baca, organist.
The bride wore a gown of imported Chantilly lace over blush pink bridal satin. Matching blush silk illusion veil was held by a jeweled crown of floral design. She carried a white orchid and carnation bouquet.
The matron of honor wore a waltz length iridescent taffeta gown of deep rose. The four bridesmaids were attired in identically designed waltz length gowns of taffeta in soft tones of blue, rose, turquoise, and green.
The bride’s mother was attired in a two-piece costume of ice blue starched lace with black and white accessories. Her corsage was pink carnations. Mrs. Robert B. Baca, the groom’s mother, wore rust wool jersey with black accessories and a yellow carnation corsage.
A reception was held in the ballroom of the Hotel Val Verde. Those who poured wee Miss Priscilla Baca, Mrs. Lorenzo Baca, Mrs. Paul Padilla, and Mrs. Pete Romero. Mrs. Sylvestra Zimmerly was in charge of the guest book. Misses Christine Pino, Eugenia Baca and Mrs. Howard McConeghey sang.
A wedding dinner was served.
Engagement announcement - Robert C. Baca and Frances R. Baca
Socorro Couple Plans Wedding
Mr. and Mrs. Santiago Baca of Socorro announce the engagement and approaching marriage of their daughter, Frances Bosaline, (sic) to Robert C. Baca, son of the Robert B. Bacas of Socorro.
The Couple will be married Wednesday at 8 a.m. at San Miguel Catholic Church in Socorro.
Both young people are members of leading Socorro families. Santiago Baca, a business man, has served on the county and municipal school boards.
Robert B. Baca is assistant postmaster of Socorro.
The prospective bridegroom is serving in the Army. He will come from New York for the ceremony.
50th Birthday Announcement - Robert C. Baca
Photo and caption are from the El Defensor Chieftain, c. April, 1982:
BOBBY BACA, celebrated his birthday this month and was photographed at his birthplace – no, he wasn’t born either in jail or in the courtroom – but he was born in the old courthouse formerly at the site of the Socorro County Courthouse on April 6th when his father, Robert B. Baca, was Under-Sheriff. The family lived at the courthouse at the time. Bobby or Robert C. Baca lives on Cuba Road. His bookkeeping service is appropriately on Court Street. Mr. Baca is also a trustee of the Socorro Electric Cooperative. Staff photo by Valarie Bates.
03 March 2006
Samuel Zimmerly and Maria Paubla Torres
Samuel Zimmerly, son of Santiago (James?) Zimmerly and Maria Schus; married Maria Paubla Torres, daughter of Ricardo Torres and Maria Gertudes Padilla, on September 29, 1866 at San Miguel Parish, Socorro, New Mexico. On the marriage record, Samuel Zimmerly is mentioned as being from Switzerland.[1] However, according to his military records Samuel is listed as being born in Luzerne, Penn.[2]
Samuel Zimmerly was a member of Company B, 1st Regiment of the California Infantry. He enlisted on October 2, 1861 at Camp Latham, California, for a three year term. He was a carpenter at the time. He was 5’ 8” tall, had sandy hair and complexion, and “black” eyes. After completing his three year duty Samuel was discharged at Fort Craig, New Mexico on November 3, 1864.[3]
[1] Matrimonios San Miguel del Socorro, San Ignacio y San Cristobal, San Marcial & Our Lady of Guadalupe of La Jolla, (Albuquerque: Hispanic Genealogical Research Center, 1999.), pg. 75.
[2] Military Records: Samuel Zimmerly. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
[3] Military Records: Samuel Zimmerly. National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Website Link: Fort Craig National Historic Site
http://www.nm.blm.gov/sfo/fort_craig/fort_craig_home.htm
Fort Craig was a U.S. military outpost from 1854 to 1885. The Civil War battle of Velverde was fought nearby by soldiers from the fort.
Two of my 2nd Great Grandfathers served at Fort Craig in the mid-1800s, Philip Bourguignon and Samuel Zimmerly. From what I can gather, Philip Bourguignon had been discharged from the army prior to the battle. Samuel Zimmerly was part of the California Column which entered New Mexico in response to the Confederate invasion. He did not take part in any Civil War battle either.
Website Link: Information about Samuel Zimmerly and Maria Paubla Torres
http://dchieftain.com/cuentos/39551-04-03-04.html
This history has some incorrect information. Samuel Zimmerly was from Switzerland, not Germany. There is no proof that he arrived in the United States with his family; he may have come here alone. The story is that he and his three brothers arrived in the United States and went their separate ways. This may be true, but I haven't found any information to back this up.
Also, since Samuel Zimmerly was born in Switzerland, his grandson Edward Zimmerly who was shot down during World War II in Germany didn't die near where his grandfather was born.
I'll post some information about the Zimmerlys on this site soon.
Samuel Zimmerly was my maternal grandmother Paublita (Zimmerly) Baca's paternal grandfather. Paublita Baca's father was Samuel's son Estevan, who was not mentioned in this article.
-RJCB
Bob's Genealogy Lesson # 1: How to Begin Searching for Your Family Tree
Most of us are interested in our family history. We want to know who our ancestors were and what they did. However, most of us don't know how to find out this information. Beginning with this article I will be posting tips on how to do family tree research. I will use examples from my own labors in order to illustrate how genealogist does his or her research.
As the old Chinese proverb goes, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Well, let us begin our search for a thousand relatives by taking our first three steps.
First Step: Write down everything you know. Write down the names, dates and places of family that you know about. Write down the stories that you heard about them. You will even want to write down the unsubstantiated rumors. Even if you think the information is irrelevant now, you may find it important later. If you don't write it down what you know now, you may forget it later when you need it.
Second Step: Create Pedigree Charts and a Family Group Sheets on your family. You may get free forms from a website at http://byubroadcasting.org/ancestors/charts/
Instructions on how to complete these forms which can be found on this blog at http://nmgenealogy.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-to-complete-pedigree-charts-and.html.
Please use the “back” space on your browser to get back to this page after you have printed up the forms.
Third Step: Start asking your family questions. Talk to your grandparents about their parents and grandparents. If your grandparents are dead, talk to your parents, or your uncles and aunts. What you are looking for are names, dates, places and interesting stories about your family.
If someone only remembers a relative by their nickname, write it down. If someone says that a certain relative is from Germany, (or was it Switzerland?) write it down. Any information that you gather may be important to you later, even it is erroneous information. Half truths have a way of giving us clues that will help us find solid facts about our families.
When you are talking to your family, ask them for copies of newspaper clippings (especially obituaries), photographs and other documents. You will use these later in constructing your family tree.
How I began researching my own genealogy
My mother died in February, 1999. After her funeral, my sister and I talked to my dad about the family. My sister had found a website for New Mexico families and she wanted to find out if we were related to any of the names on the website. However, my dad did not feel like answering questions. Unfortunately, a few months later my dad died, too.
When I was younger, my parents told me a lot stories about our relatives. At the time I did not have a great interest in researching my family tree, so I did not write them down. When I did get an interest in the subject, it was too late. Both of my parents were dead. I remember some of the stories, but many of the details are gone.
The next year, a great-aunt of mine died. At her wake, I started asking everyone about their families. I was surprised at the amount of information that I was able to collect. I dispelled many misconceptions that I had regarding my relatives. There were certain distant cousins that I didn’t know were siblings. I figured out which distant cousins were children of certain great-uncles and aunts. I also got to know their children and grandchildren.
After the funeral, I asked my sister about a family tree that I thought my father put together. Originally I thought that he may have put it in a bible. What he actually did was write a four page family tree showing his and my mom’s ancestors going back four generations and the names of other family members. Surprisingly, once I was finally able to do my own research I discovered that much of his information was correct.
I started gathering other information from my family. I collected newspapers clippings including an article written about one of my 2nd great grandfathers, Samuel Zimmerly. Although this article had some mistakes, it did show the names and birthdays of all of his children and grandchildren.
I also started collecting photographs from my family. Throughout the years I have collected photographs of my parents, all my grandparents, all my great-grandparents and many of my 2nd great grandparents. I keep searching for more photos. Maybe one of these days I will actually be lucky enough to find a photograph of one of my 3rd great grandparents.
My research had just begun. Soon it would blossom beyond my wildest dreams! More about that in future posts to this blog.
If you have any questions regarding this article, feel free to post a comment or send me an E-mail. Since I moderate comments to this blog, your comments will not be posted immediately. However, I will post and try to answer any relevant comments to this article.
How to Complete Pedigree Charts and Family Group Records
THE PEDIGREE CHART
A Pedigree Chart is a form that shows a person's direct ancestors. The standard chart shows five generations.To complete this form, write down your name (or the person you are researching) on line No. 1. Put down the person's birth date, place of birth, marriage date (if applicable,) place of marriage, death date (if applicable,) and place of death.
List the person's parents on lines # 2 & 3. Line # 2 will be the father; line # 3 will be the mother. Then continue to list the grandparents, great-grandparents and 2nd great-grandparents.
Each person on the list is connected to his or her parents by a line. The father is always the name on top; the mother the name on the bottom. A simple rule to remember is that a the number on the chart for a person's father is double that person's number; the number on the chart for a person's mother is double the person's number plus one.
You can use more than one chart to list additional generations. For example, lets say you create a chart and label it chart # 1. You can show the extend generations of person no. 16 by putting him on chart #2 as person no. 1 and referencing that "person # 1 is no. 16 on chart no. 1."
THE FAMILY GROUP RECORD
Another form is the Family Group Record which shows a couple and their children. This is self explanitory. Complete the information for the father, mother, their parents and their children in the applicable places.
28 February 2006
Obituary: Jerry Douglas
Jerry Douglas
HINDSBORO - Jerry D. Douglas, 38, of Charleston, formerly of Hindsboro, died Saturday (Feb. 21, 1976) at home.
Funeral services willb e at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday at Taber Funeral Home, Oakland. Burial will be in VanVoorhis Cemetary, north of Hindsboro.
Visitation will be from 7 to 9 p.m. Tuesday at the funeral home.
Mr. Douglas was born July 28, 1937 at Hindsboro, a son of Ralph and Ethel Hanks Douglas. He married Sharon Dunn March 12, 1960 at Redmond.
Surviving are two daughters Nancy Carol and Amanda Jean, and a son Jerald Andrew, all of Charleston; his parents, Hindsboro; two brothers, Bill, Hindsboro and Leon, Urbana; and two sisters, Mrs. Joyce Seitz, Tucson, Ariz., and Mrs. Frieda Roberts, Indianapolis, Ind.
He was preceded in death by a daughter, a brother, and a sister.
He was a member of the Hindsboro United Methodist Church, Mattoon Moose, and was an engineering technician for the Illinois Division of Highways, Paris.
Below is a memorial card handed out at his memorial service
In Memory of
Jerry D. Douglas
July 28, 1937 Feb. 21, 1976
MEMORIAL SERVICES
Wednesday, February 25, 1976
1:30 O'clock P.M.
Taber Funeral Home
Oakland, Illinois
CLERGYMEN
Rev. Arthur Scott
Rev. Donald Lemkau
ORGANIST
Mrs. Robert Juriga
"Amazing Grace"
CASKET BEARERS
Howard Johnson Jerry Edgar
Tom Mood Dave Morgan
Jerry Shields Richard Dunn
INTERMENT
VanVorrhis Cemetary
27 February 2006
1900 New Mexico Census - Ramon Baca Family
Dwelling No. 24, Family No. 25
Baca, Ramon, Head, White Male, Born: Aug 1837, 62 years old; Married for 39 years, Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Maria A., Wife, White, Female, Born: May 1842, 58 years old, Married 39 years, Gave birth to 12 children, 9 still living, Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Paula, Daughter, White Female, Born: Feb. 1864, 36 years old, Married 20 years, no children, Born in New Mexico, parents born in New Mexico.
____, Juliana, Daughter, White, Female, Born: Jan 1866, 34 years old, Married 13 years, no children, Born in New Mexico, parents born in New Mexico.
____, Gabriel, Son, White Male, Born March 1868, 32, Married 8 years, Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Serito, Son, White, Male, Born Feb. 1870, 30 years old, Single. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Maria, Daughter, White, Female, Born January 1872, 28, Married 12 years, no children. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Maximiano, Son, White, Male, Born Feb 1874, 26 years old, Married 3 years. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Rafael, Son, White, Male, Born Feb 1878, 22 years old, Single. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Pascual, Son, White, Male, Born June 1884, 16 years old, Single. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
____, Adrian, Son, White, Male, Born Oct. 1885, 14 years old, Single. Born in New Mexico, both parents born in New Mexico.
New Mexico. Socorro County, Township of Luis Lopez. 1900 U.S. Census.
1870 New Mexico Census - Ramon Baca family
Dwelling # 36; Family # 33
Baca, Ramon, 35, Male, White, Farmer, Real Estate Value $200,Personal Estate Value $325, Birthplace: New Mexico, Cannot read nor write.
____, Anastacia, 28, Female, White, Keeping House, Birthplace: New Mexico, Cannot read nor write
____, Juana, 10, Female, White, Birthplace: New Mexico, Cannot read nor write.
____, Paublita, 8, Female, White, Birthplace: New Mexico
____, Juliana, 6, Female,White, Birthplace: New Mexico
____, Gabriel, 3, Male, White, Birthplace: New Mexico
____, Serito, 6/12, Male, White, Birthplace: New Mexico
New Mexico. Socorro County. San Antonio 7th District, p. 504. 1870 U.S. Census, population schedule.
22 February 2006
History Teachers: Teach Genealogy!
I found a great quote in a book that I'm reading called History Comes Home: Family Stories Across the Curriculum that brings this idea home:
"Family history offers a way out of the divisive trap of racializing our identities. The ominous divides of race are bridged by the actual complexity of our collective past, and the great lesson of our histories deliver: in many ways we are similiar [author's emphasis.] Our families and peoples of the world over have worked, struggled, fought through wars and hard times, adjusted to technology, and made it to this place and day. Further, by focusing on ethnic origins, migrations, and pathways, identity is constantly enriched and expanded. All of us come from somewhere. Family tree branch into glorious, bushy complexity, rich with a million stories. And our stories are linked."
Zemelman, Steven, et. al., History Comes Home: Family Stories Across the Curriculum. (York, Maine: Stenhouse Publishers, 2000.) p. 6.
I've skimmed through this book, and it seems good. I will post a review of the book on this site once I finish reading it.
-RJCB
21 February 2006
Obituary: Robert C. Baca
ROBERT C. BACA, 67, of Socorro, NM, died Monday, June 7, 1999 at Socorro General Hospital in Socorro, NM. He was the husband of the late Frances Rosalin Baca, Mr. Baca was born in Socorro, New Mexico on April 6, 1932, son of the late Robert and Teresa (Torres) Baca. He is survived by his son Robert Baca of Albuquerque, NM; daughters: Janis Schwartzenberg and husband, Donn of Socorro, NM, and Cynthia Gonzales and husband, Sam of Fayetteville, NC; brothers David Baca of Albuquerque, NM, Ed Baca and wife, Patsy of Albuquerque, NM; sisters Teresa Rios and husband Manny of Socorro, NM; Mert Serna and husband, Ray (sic) of Socorro, NM; grandchildren: Shawn and Christine Schwartzenberg of Socorro; Joshua, Gabriel and Teresita Gonzales of Fayetteville, NC; great grandchild, Destiny Sposito of Polvadera, NM; and other relatives and friends. Rosary was recited Wednesday, June 9, at 7:00 PM at San Miguel Catholic Church, Funeral Mass was celebrated Thursday, June 10, at 10:00 AM at San Miguel with Father Arthur Anstiss as Celebrant. Inurnment (sic) was in the San Miguel Cemetary. Cremation arrangements under the direction of Steadman-Hall Funeral Home, Socorro, New Mexico.
"Obituary: Robert C. Baca." El Defensor Chieftan 12 June 1999: p. 3.
Obituary - Frances R. Baca
FRANCES ROSALIN BACA, 64, passed away Friday, February 19, 1999 in Albuquerque, NM. She was born August 1, 1934 to Santiago and Pauline Zimmerly Baca in Socorro, NM. She is survived by her husband, Robert of their home in Socorro; son, Robert J. C. Baca of Albuquerque, NM; daughters: Janis Schwartzenberg of Socorro and Cynthia Gonzales of Fayetteville, NC; brother Jimmy Baca of Socorro; sisters: Josie Visocky of Champagne, IL, and Judy Viaza of Socorro; 5 grandchildren, 1 great grandchild and other relatives and friends. Rosary was recited Monday, February 22, at 7:00 PM at San Miguel Catholic Church. Funeral Mass was celebrated Tuesday, February 23, at 11:00 AM at San Miguel Cemetary. Pallbearers were: Donn Schwartzenberg, Robert Baca, Jim Peralta, Steven Viaza, Morris Gonzales and Shawn Schwartzenberg. Arrangements by Steadman-Hall Funeral Home, Socorro, New Mexico.
"Obituary: Frances Rosalin Baca." El Defensor Chieftan 27 Feb 1999: p. 3.
NOTE: Frances Baca was also survived by her mother, Pauline (Zimmerly) Baca. My grandmother Pauline is alive to this day.
19 February 2006
Toddler Images - Nancy C. Douglas de Baca and Robert J. C. Baca
These are toddler photos of Nancy and me. Since Nancy is eight year's older than me, her picture would be about eight years older than mine. It's interesting that we both had photos taken at approximately the same age in similar poses. My photo was originally in color, but I changed it to black and white to match Nancy's. I also did not want to blind you, the viewer. The leisure suit that I'm wearing in the photo is bright orange and yellow.
I originally created this montage for our wedding book, but I didn't have time to put the book together prior to our wedding. I guess I was thinking of other things at the time.
-RJCB
16 January 2006
Obituary - Ethel Douglas
Memorial Obituary
Entered Into Eternal Rest Wednesday, June 28, 1978
ETHEL DOUGLAS
HINDSBORO - Ethel Douglas, 81, a life long resident of the Hindsboro area, died at 3 a.m. Wednesday in her home.
Her funeral will be held at 1:30 p.m. Saturday at the Taber Funeral Home in Oakland, where friends may call from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. Friday. Burial will be in the VanVoorhies Cemetary.
Born Feb. 15, 1897, she was a daughter of John and Amanda Cravens Hanks. she was married to Ralph Douglas for over 60 years. He survives.
Other survivors include a son, H. Leon Douglas of Urbana; two daughters, Mrs. Joyce Seiz of Tucson, Ariz., and Mrs. Freda Roberts of Indianapolis, and 20 grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren.
She was preceded in death by one daughter, three sons, one brother and three sisters.
Mrs. Douglas was a member of the Gold Star Mothers.
In Memory of
Ethel M. Douglas
Feb. 15 1897 June 28, 1978
MEMORIAL SERVICES
Saturday, July 1, 1978
1:30 O'Clock P.M.
Taber Funeral Home
Oakland, Illinois
MINISTER
Rick Grace
ORGANIST
Mrs. Margaret Taber
"In the Garden"
"How Great Thou Art"
Casket Bearers
Tom Seitz
Bob Douglas
Charlie Douglas
Rick Douglas
Chet Roberts
Chris Roberts
INTERMENT
VanVoorhis Cemetary
Hindsboro, Illinois
Obituary - Ralph Douglas
Memorial Obituary
Entered Into Eternal Rest Friday July 13, 1984
Ralph Douglas
HINDSBORO - Ralph Douglas, 93, of Hindsboro, died at 7:20 p.m. Friday (July 13, 1984) at his home.
Funeral Services will be at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday at Taber Funeral Home, Oakland, the Rev. Don Funk officiating. Burial will be at VanVoorhis Cemetary, Hindsboro.
Visitation will be from 6 to 8 p.m., Monday at the funeral home.
Mr. Douglas was born May 18, 1891, at Hindsboro, a son of William and Mary Wright Douglas. He married Ethel Hanks on Dec. 23, 1916, at Paris. She died in 1978.
Survivors include one son, H. Leon Douglas of Urbana; two daughters Joyce Seitz of Tuscon, Ariz., and Frieda Roberts of Indianapolis; 20 grandchildren; 22 great grandchildren; one brother, Bruce Douglas of Decatur; and one sister, Wilma Douglas of Arcola.
He was preceded in death by three sons, one daughter and two brothers.
Mr. Douglas was a retired heavy equipment operator.
Memorials may be made to a charity of the donor's choice.
Obituary John William Hanks
Funeral Rites for John Hanks Held Sunday Afternoon
Funeral services for John Hanks were conducted Sunday afternoon from the Pleasent Grove church with Rev. Petty, minister of the Methodist Church at Newman in charge. Mr. Hanks passed away Friday morning at 3:30 o'clock, death being due to old age and a light stroke of paralysis.
John W. Hanks, son of Sidner and Elizabeth Hanks, was born in Brown County Indiana April 14 1856 where he grew to young manhood.
On July 7, 1880, at the age of 24, he was united in marriage to Amanda A. Craven of the same neighborhood.
The pioneering spirit, inherited no doubt from their immediate ancestors was strong in this young couple and they turned their westward hoping to build for themselves a home in the New West. Their first attempt was a farm near Arcola, but strange faces, the hardship and drudgery of the new land, the swamp and its attending evils were in such contrast to the wooded hill homeland which like a mirage kept beckoning until they returned to its enbrace.
And yet again the horses were hitched to the covered wagon, again their steps were retraced and this time with a determination to overcome all odds, they began operations near Humboldt and from there to farms just east of Hindsboro, and it was here while living on the Margason place they purchased the plot which for nearly forty years has been home, adding thereto as they, by hard work and careful planning were able ....
In the homestead children grew to maturity, namely Mrs. Henry Myers of Newman, Mrs. Edgar Curry, Mrs. Kenny Haas of Indianapolis, Sylvia of Amberdeen, Miss., Mrs. Bert Tuttle, Mrs. Ralph Douglas of Hindsboro, Mrs. Frank Barnett of Murdock, William of Champaign, Paul of Elkhart, Ind., and Mrs. Walter Thompson who has gone on leaving a little son to fill her place. There are also 32 grandchildren and 11 great grandchildren. He is also survived by his wife and two brothers, Joseph and George of Forest, Okla.
Mr. Hanks was known far and wide as a man of his word, rigidly honest in his dealings with his fellow man, asking only what was due him and insisting the other be fully recompensed.
As he grew aged his concern was more and more to keep the home fires burning so that no matter how far away a child might get he could feel the warming welcome of the fireside, and how well they appreciated it is attested by the number and frequency of their gatherings.
Early in his young manhood days Mr. Hanks had a definate, clear cut experience in his religious life and often had related the details of that event and express the wish that he might come into it again. He departed this life march 3, (1933) being 76 years, 10 months and 19 days of age. Internment was made in the VanVoorhis cemetary.
Sydnor Hanks Family - 1870 Census
Inhabitants of Hamblin Township, County of Brown, State of Indiana, Enumerated 1 July 1870. Page 26. Roll # M593-301.
Dwelling 189; Family 189:
Hanks, Sidnor, 55 years old, male, White, Farmer, Estate: $6,000; Personal: $1,150; from Kentucky, male citizen of US 21 years old or older.
___, Elizabeth; 49 years old, female, White, Keeping House, from Kentucky; cannot read or write.
___, Matilda; 21 years old, female, White, works at home; from Indiana.
___, Delila; 16 years old, female, White, works at home; from Indiana.
___, George W.; 12 years old, male, White, works on farm; from Indiana; attends school, cannot write.
___, John W.; 14 years old, male, White, works on farm; from Indiana; attends school, cannot write.
___, Joseph N.; 2 years old, male, White, from Indiana; attends school.
Sydnor Hanks Family - 1860 Census
Syndor and Elizabeth (Skidmore) Hanks were my wife's 2nd great-grandparents. Their son John W., was my wife's great-grandfather.
I've listed the household of James Skidmore because I believe it has some significance since Elizabeth's maiden name is Skidmore. Is this her parents?
Dwelling # 672; Family # 672:
Sidnor Hanks, 49 years old, male, White, Farmer, Value of real estate: $5,000; Value of Personal Estate: $400, from Kentucky.
Elizabeth, 40 years old, female, White, from Kentucky, listed as over 21 years old and unable to read or write.
Susan J., 21 years old, female, from Indiana.
Sarah F., 18 years old, female, from Indiana.
Matilda, 18 years old, female, from Indiana
James, 10 years old, male, from Indiana.
Delila, 7 years old, female, from Indiana.
John W., 5 years old, male, from Indiana.
George W., 2 years old, male, from Indiana.
Dwelling # 673; Family # 673:
James Skidmore, 64 years old, male, White, farmer, Value of Real Estate: $100; Value of Personal Estate: $100; from Kentucky.
Susana, 67 years old, female, White, from Kentucky, listed as over 21 years old and unable to read and write.
Nancy Mayers, 18 years old, female, White, from Kentucky.
This transcription was revised on 28 November 2009. I did not have Susan's middle initial or age correct on this post (I had her as Susan G. Hanks, 81 years old!) The revised information is from the transcriptions I found on both the FamilySearch.org and Ancestry.com websites. However, I will need to look at the image of the census record to verify the information.
I apologize for any inconvenience that the erroneous info caused anyone. This is a prime example why you should always verify information yourself and not rely of others for your research. Genealogists do make mistrakes (sic).
12 January 2006
Obituary - Amanda Hanks, 95 years old
Oldest Resident of Hindsboro Dies
Mrs. Amanda Hanks, 95, oldest resident of the Hindsboro communities, died at 7:30 P.M. last Wednesday in Jarman Hospital, Tuscola, where she had been a patient about 10 days.
Funeral services were conducted at 2 P.M. Saturday in the Hindsboro Methodist Church, with the Rev. Maurice Reed of Antioch Church officiating.
Burial was in Van Voorhis Cemetary north of Hindsboro, Taber Funeral Home, Hindsboro, in charge.
Mrs. Hanks was the widow of John William Hanks, a relative of Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln's mother. Her health was fairly good for a person of her age until recently, and she continued to do house work and care for a garden and chickens until she was past 90.
She leaves about 115 decendants.
A daughter of William and Mary Craven, natives of England, Mrs. Hanks was born November 5, 1863, at Barnesville, Ohio. There were 11 children in the family. Mrs. Hanks was the last survivor.
On July 7, 1880, she was married to Mr. Hanks at Nashville, Indiana. His parents had lived in the same settlement in Kentucky where Lincoln spent his early years. Mr. Hanks' relationship to Nancy Hanks was traced through his uncle, Abner Hanks, who was a cousin of Lincoln's mother.
William Hanks, Route 1, Urbana, a son of John and Amanda Hanks, recalls that his father's facial features resembled Lincoln's.
The John Hankses came to Illinois the same year they were married and settled on a farm several miles south of Arcola. They later moved to a farm east of Hindsboro.
They celebrated their 50th (wedding anniversary in 1930.) Mr. Hanks died March 3, 1933, at the age of 77. many relatives and friends called on Mrs. Hanks when she observed her 95th birthday November 5.
She had lived in Hindsboro for about 15 years. She leaves six daughters, Mrs. Cecelia Myers, Mrs. Emma Tuttle and Mrs. Ethel Douglas, all of Hindsboro; Mrs. Nellie Barnett, Murdock; Mrs. Katie Haas and Mrs. Maude Curry, Indianopolis, and three sons, Paul, Indianapolis; Silva (Silvester), Hindsboro, and William.
Why do I blog my genealogy?
Another reason for having this blog is that others can post on to the site, too. Genealogy is all about sharing information. This site makes it easy for you the reader to comment on my findings, to send me your own family information or to ask questions. Please remember, though, that when you post on this site you are posting to the internet. Don't post any information that you don't want published for the world to read.
11 January 2006
What is a fourth cousin, three times removed?
A cousin relationship is based on a common ancestor that you and another person have with each other. For instance, first cousins have a set of grandparents who are the same. This makes sense since first cousins are the children of siblings. Second cousins have a set of great grandparents that are the same. Third cousins, a set of great-great grandparents (or 2nd great grandparents,) etc. The rule of thumb is that you add one plus the number of "greats" of your common grandparents. So, if you share a set great, great, great, great grandparents (4th great grandparents) you are fifth cousins with that person.
{By the way, you are only a full cousin (whether it is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc - it doesn't matter) if you share a set of grandparents. If you share only one grandparent, then you are half cousins. An example would be if your grandfather married two women, and you and your cousin are descended from separate grandmothers.
Just to confuse things even more, a Double cousin is someone who shares two sets of grandparents with another person.}
When someone says that they are a fourth cousins, three times removed this means that they share a common ancestor, but not in the same generation. In this case, two people are fourth cousins because they share a set of ancestors. However for one person those ancestors are great, great, great grandparents (3rd great grandparents) and the other person those ancestors are great, great, great, great, great, grandparents (5th great grandparents.)
In other words if you had a fourth cousin, three times removed relationship with Abraham Lincoln, your great-grandfather (or great grandmother) would be the fourth cousin of this President.
Whew! Easy isn't it?